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Post subject: Subud members' and values
 Posted: Jun 05, 2003 - 07:13 PM
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Jiwa Walker
Joined: Sep 16, 2002
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Is there anybody amongst young Subud members who consider virginity as a value that has to be kept until marriage?
I´d like to know.
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Posted: Jun 05, 2003 - 08:49 PM
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Site Admin
Joined: Jul 14, 2002
Posts: 295
Location: 世界 Shijie
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Hi Moonlight
Yes, I am not sure about the word 'kept'. Its more a struggle for most.
Most people in the West at least, not least among the young find it difficult to hear any values. We live in societies where having strong opinions and values, and in anyway judging others for anything is seen as a taboo. Its as though anything is acceptable and 'old fashioned' values are outdated and oppressive.
I would love to share my story with the whole world, but I haven't quite got the guts. Other than to say if one has the discipline, the will power and the sense of why staying a virgin is an aspiration worth gritting your teeth for then its managable. But like any big value they are often bloody difficult to manage. Its great being able to share what is worth sharing, its just its often a 'minefield' having everybody come to a consensus on the matter.
I share many of your feelings in previous posts about the way Bapaks words given with love like an ascension from God are very real and true. But people don't usually want to hear anyone telling them something. Its like any of us can not really tell each other how to be. We have to work it out for ourselves. Sure that means that with all that freedom to work it out we may corrupt ourselves in bad ways, but at least we have the opportunity to share it with God whatever we do.
In sharing it with God, the reality of what is right for us Will be placed before us. Opportunities to realise the unrealiseable to be clear and calm in our actions will be made apparent.
In the end values we hold are between ourselves and God and anyone that wants to share a discussion or ideas now and then.
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Post subject: Re: Subud members' and values
Posted: Jun 06, 2003 - 06:39 PM
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Directed Jiwa
Joined: Feb 04, 2003
Posts: 33
Location: London
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moonlight wrote:
Is there anybody amongst young Subud members who consider virginity as a value that has to be kept until marriage?
I´d like to know.
Moonlight* (I´m 24)
What about those who, like me, were not virgins when they joined Subud? This suggests another question is relevant:
Is there anybody amongst young Subud members who consider virginity as a state to be regained before marriage, and is this possible?
I also barely have the guts to openly talk about my own sexual situation, but there is very little to speak of, so you can make of that what you will! I believe that virginity, once lost, is not irredemable. The implecations of sex are sometimes a spiritual 'marriage' between the souls of those involved. This can be a good thing, until the relationship ends, when it confuses the soul, as it has become entwined with that of another - this is further compounded by subsequent sexual relationships, resulting in "baggage" which prevents the person being able to meet another in a clean state, free from often confusing spiritual influences of their ex-partners.
Fortunately, I have discovered that this situation is not irreversible, and I now find myself considerably more free, if not free from such a state. The prihartin of abstainance is a long but necessary road for me, and I am a long way down it. Highly recommended is Bapak's suggestion of 1000 nights of abstainance...
There you go...that's my take on it!
If you are a virgin in your 20s, I guess that you already know that this is a valuable comodity, particularly in the pursuit of meeting someone to marry, as you are free from the confusing 'baggage' I spoke of already, and are in the best position to fall in love and give yourself to the right person completely, without looking over your shoulder at your past experiences and relationships.
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Posted: Aug 04, 2004 - 07:34 PM
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Jiwa Walker
Joined: Feb 12, 2004
Posts: 10
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Lucas Adamson wrote:
The prihartin of abstainance is a long but necessary road for me
Lucas, does such abstainance involve refrain from the indulgence in sexual inuendo in a deep gravely voice? |
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